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[chef] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Peoples' thoughts on Amazon AWS OpsWorks?


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  • From: Stéphane Jourdan < >
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  • Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:01:39 +0100
for those interested, I opened a discussion on the subject here on the OpsWorks AWS forum: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=117400

Cheers,
Stef

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Christopher Brown < " target="_blank"> > wrote:
Good to hear that.  We also think there's lots of opportunity here, and the current distance between the Chef underlying OpsWorks (older version based on solo) and modern server-based Chef (Hosted or otherwise) could be confusing and certainly isn't as powerful.  We'd like to raise that bar for everyone.  Let me know if you need any help if you engage in discussion on the forums.

Cheers,
Chris


That would be great, I think a more modern OpsWorks and a much better integration with Chef (hosted or not) could be a real winner or at least interest another kind of users than the ones already currently using Chef or even EC2.

So I'll take a look at what's said on the AWS forums !

Stephane

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Brown < " target="_blank"> > wrote:
We plan to work with Amazon on this support, but expressing your opinions and concerns directly to them would help as well.  If you want to see better & more modern Chef support in OpsWork, let Amazon know on their AWS forums and we'll circle back with them.

Thanks,
Chris


Hi, 

I confirm it's running a 0.9.15.3 fork of chef from Peritor, last updated 2 years ago.
Deployed cookbooks from Opscode looks quite dated too (think of a 0.9 Apache cookbook for example).

I'm still experimenting but am somewhat disappointed for my usage.

For those who wonder, you get 
  • an equivalent of a standard chef-repo, 
  • versionned by date and symlinked to "current" for usage.
  • a Gemfile for the hellish deps for such old software reqs
  • about 35 cookbooks, some AWS custom, many not
  • ruby1.8 ro run chef-solo (ie.: ruby1.8 /opt/aws/opsworks/current/bin/chef-solo -j /var/lib/aws/opsworks/chef/2013-02-21-13-58-55-01.json -c /opt/aws/opsworks/current/conf/solo.rb)

Cheers,
Stef

Stephane Jourdan < " target="_blank"> >
Green Alto / 10, Rue Chaptal / 34000 Montpellier, FR


On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Jesse Campbell < " target="_blank"> > wrote:
According to the amazon pages, this is built against https://github.com/peritor/chef/commits/scalarium-0.8-stable
which appears to be a fork of chef that hasn't been updated since the middle of 2010.

I'm just going to take a gamble and say that
a) most of my company's custom cookbooks won't work without serious modifications
b) things like 'search' and 'environments' and 'platform_family' will be entirely foreign

oh yeah, and it doesn't support centos at all, so there's another big chunk of work.

i think i'll stick with the nice shiny chef 11, thanks very much :D


On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Morgan Blackthorne < " target="_blank"> > wrote:
Interesting, I'm definitely curious to hear more about it. I do a lot of AMI-based bootstrapping of Chef and it would be very interesting if there was a more integrated solution where I could assign the role at say... boot time, or via autoscaling/etc.

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On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Martinez < " target="_blank"> > wrote:
We have a similar workflow, but using Hosted Chef. OpsWorks looks very interesting, but I'm not sure if it's a replacement for Jenkins+CFN+Chef the way we've set things up. I'll be playing more with it when it's available, that's for sure!

-john
OpsWorks is so similar to what we ended up building for ourselves using cloudformation and chef-solo that I wish we'd waited.  We already have a practice of downloading a small tarball that chef-solo will use to download the appropriate bundle and run the roles we've defined there, including registering with a chef server.  This is really promising.


On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Christopher Brown < " target="_blank"> > wrote:
Just to allay people's fears and maybe stem the tide of speculation, we've worked with Amazon off-and-on a few times and have some involvement with OpsWorks.
There will probably be more visible press soon, as we get closer to #ChefConf 2013 (http://chefconf.opscode.com/).  I'll make sure the press and marketing team shed some light on this.

Cheers,
Chris


They had a twitter post about it.

No press release that I've seen yet :(




"Since AWS OpsWorks uses Chef recipes, you can leverage hundreds of community-built configurations such as PostgreSQL, Nginx, and Solr."

https://aws.amazon.com/opsworks/

This is apparently based on Scalarium, from AWS' Peritor acquisition.  Interesting discussion at ycombinator: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5243196

Haven't really dug into it yet.  Surprised nothing from OpsCode about it.

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