[chef-dev] Re: Nodejs community CK mess

[Christopher Webber < >]

I think this is a great example of something we need to address…

With that said, I have more questions than answers.

The first thing I would do is look to how other communities and package 
repositories handle this issue. I am on vacation right now and won’t have a 
chance to do the research myself until I get back, but I really would love to 
see a good example of how this is handled elsewhere. How do CPAN, NPM, 
RubyGems, etc handle this? 

On a technical level, I think there are a lot more questions that have to be 
answered. Some of them that come to mind would be:

If we transfer the name to someone else:
- What requirement do they have to maintain legacy code?
- What is the expectation around breaking or not breaking the API the 
cookbook provides, especially if SemVer isn’t in use?
- Does the license on the old cookbook allow for it to even be maintained?

Since we have talked a lot about namespacing, how would that change this 
equation? Does it actually solve the problem we are trying to solve? Has it 
played out that way in other communities that use namespacing like Docker or 
the Puppet Forge?

The biggest problem in all of this… Who gets to be the decider? How do we do 
this in a fair manner? It is easy to look at code and have the attitude this 
sucks, mine is better, but it is much harder to have to explain to someone 
that this person or group has decided to take a thing away from them. My 
personal fear is that we discount the people side of this situation. People 
and feelings are a wicked hard problem set and there really is no good 
answer. But, as we move forward with any discussion around this, I would love 
to hear how people think we should handle this part of the equation.

For me, the biggest thing I don’t want to see is Chef Software become the 
decider and ruler. I want to see it be the community that comes together 
around a set of values and a process for governance. While I think it is 
important that Chef Software have a seat at the table and that they take on 
the responsibility of running the site, I don’t think Chef Software should 
have the end all say in how we govern things.

Just my 2 cents.

— cwebber

On Jul 18, 2014, at 4:22 AM, 
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 wrote:

> Ohai everyone!
> 
> We wanted to report an academic example of cookbook governance issues. 
> Hoping
> this will further the subject.
> 
> As everyone know, nodejs is really popular and many of you want to deploy it
> for production (maybe with npm packages too).
> For now a simple search on supermarket give us:
>    - node
>    - nodejs
>    - npm
>    - node-windows
> 
> And we may lack some.
> Moreover, none of them have enough quality and tests for a real production
> proof system.
> 
> With our experience, we're trying to rebuild a new cookbook with experience 
> of
> each other.
> Discussion begins here: https://github.com/balbeko/chef-npm/pull/26
> To federate all this dev, we created a collaborative organization "REDGUIDE"
> (https://github.com/redguide) and started fusion and improvement from 
> existing
> work.
> 
> This cookbook (available here: https://github.com/redguide/nodejs ;) is now
> really good regarding to current chef practices. It also started to be 
> widely
> used and known by the community.
> 
> Final step: publishing it...
> Here come problems: https://github.com/redguide/nodejs/issues/9
> 
> TL;DR : Previous maintainer want to keep control over cookbook and to keep 
> it
> under his name despite the fact that it is no longer open, active and
> responsive on this CK
> (https://github.com/mdxp/nodejs-cookbook/issues?state=open).
> 
> This decision is really painful for everyone, it blocks all good things 
> done by
> community (and block application_nodejs to use it as "depends" for example).
> 
> NEXT:
>    - For this project:
>       - Press nodejs maintainer to accept the merge and release his control
> over community repo (community work belong to the community)
>       - Creating a yet-another-nodejs cookbook? (or better nodejs-ii, as we
> can see for timezone and timezone-ii)
>       - Destitute maintainer of his role on supermarket (never a good news 
> to
> do this)
>    - For chef:
>       We really have to manage this kind of case in supermarket. The main
> risk is that  people/company  who are using community cookbooks  stop 
> trusting
> community work anymore, and start writing as much fork/copy (either public 
> or
> private) of the same work. Community work would be severely affected by 
> this.
>       This is not the way we think Chef should be.
> 
> Our proposition (but must be debated):
>    - When someone create a new cookbook on supermarket, a new github repo is
> created (like https://github.com/jenkinsci/ do).
>    - It prevent git erase / modification.
>    - This repo became the new "central point" for community issues /
> contributions as it doesn't belong to someone in particular, governancy can 
> be
> edicted by getchef/community.
> 
> We also can provide test platform (for TK for example) easily.