On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Joseph Bowman <
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No, chef saved me a ton of time fixing heartbleed where I used chef,
sorry I wasn't clear. My pain was in the stacks that were not managed
by chef.
On 7/11/14, Mikael Henriksson < > wrote:
> My experiences are the opposite of Joseph's! It took me around 20 minutes to
> fix the heart bleed bug and when people in the company started posting about
> it in the chat rooms I could say it's been fixed for a week already and this
> is thanks to the amazing tooling that chef brings to the table (berkshelf
> and friends).
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Brian Akins < > wrote:
>
>> Coming late to this thread, but I am one of the folks who had an offline
>> discussion/rant with lusis.
>> When Heartbleed (#1) happened, I needed to rebuild a ton of omnibus
>> things
>> and omnibus was just horribly broken. It had worked fine just a few days
>> before then it just didn't. In a fury of vendoring things and doing
>> horrible hacks to get through the ordeal, I vented privately to a few
>> folks
>> who were having to do the same and also had a few public "wtf?!"
>> comments.
>> In this instance, it was just incredible bad timing and had the "breaking
>> features" happened a week later, it probably would not have been a big
>> deal. It was a stressful 48-72 hours to put it mildly, and the rants
>> were
>> just me blowing off some steam. Then a few weeks later, omnibus broke
>> again, then again, etc. I do appreciated the statement ChefCo made
>> concerning omnibus and what would and would not be "supported" - it was
>> just a little late for me. Similar things have happened with other parts
>> of the toolchain.
>> I am (or was) just an end user of the tool chain. I'll admit I was
>> enamored
>> with "oh, shiny new workflow/tools" for a while, but then I needed to get
>> stuff done. Chef is an awesome tool, but at the end of that day that's
>> all
>> it is to me. It's great that an "ecosystem" is developing around it, but
>> ultimately I just need to get stuff done. From the outside looking in,
>> it
>> does seem that the Chef community forgets this sometimes and becomes
>> enamored with the tools themselves. I include myself in that. Same could
>> be said about a bunch of open source communities as well.
>> I've taken a different career path -- for a while at least -- so, I don't
>> necessarily have to think about such things every day. A lot of the
>> "venom" in my original rants was because of 48-72 hours of dealing with
>> Heartbleed. Heck, I ranted about pretty much every piece of tooling I had
>> to deal with that day and everyone just assumed all the complaints were
>> about them ;) However, there was some truth to the rant - "why can't
>> this
>> crap just work???"
>> Hugs to every one. I feel like this should be a discussion at a bar or
>> something.
>> As a former co-worker stated: "there are two types of software: software
>> that @bakins hates and software that @bakins will hate"
>> --Brian
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