[chef] Re: Re: An deep topic

[Joseph Bowman < >]

On the flip side my bash chef cookbook for compiling apache was
incredibly helpful when heartbleed hit and saved me a ton of time. But
yea, that was an extremely stressful time and you wouldn't believe the
wtf moments I had when analyzing vendor provided stacks. Ugh...

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Brian Akins 
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> Coming late to this thread, but I am one of the folks who had an offline
> discussion/rant with lusis.
>
> When Heartbleed (#1) happened, I needed to rebuild a ton of omnibus things
> and omnibus was just horribly broken.  It had worked fine just a few days
> before then it just didn't. In a fury of vendoring things and doing horrible
> hacks to get through the ordeal, I vented privately to a few folks who were
> having to do the same and also had a few public "wtf?!" comments. In this
> instance, it was just incredible bad timing and had the "breaking features"
> happened a week later, it probably would not have been a big deal.  It was a
> stressful 48-72 hours to put it mildly, and the rants were just me blowing
> off some steam.  Then a few weeks later, omnibus broke again, then again,
> etc.  I do appreciated the statement ChefCo made concerning omnibus and what
> would and would not be "supported" - it was just a little late for me.
> Similar things have happened with other parts of the toolchain.
>
> I am (or was) just an end user of the tool chain. I'll admit I was enamored
> with "oh, shiny new workflow/tools" for a while, but then I needed to get
> stuff done. Chef is an awesome tool, but at the end of that day that's all
> it is to me.  It's great that an "ecosystem" is developing around it, but
> ultimately I just need to get stuff done.  From the outside looking in, it
> does seem that the Chef community forgets this sometimes and becomes
> enamored with the tools themselves. I include myself in that.  Same could be
> said about a bunch of open source communities as well.
>
> I've taken a different career path -- for a while at least -- so, I don't
> necessarily have to think about such things every day.  A lot of the "venom"
> in my original rants was because of 48-72 hours of dealing with Heartbleed.
> Heck, I ranted about pretty much every piece of tooling I had to deal with
> that day and everyone just assumed all the complaints were about them ;)
> However, there was some truth to the rant - "why can't this crap just
> work???"
>
> Hugs to every one. I feel like this should be a discussion at a bar or
> something.
>
> As a former co-worker stated: "there are two types of software: software
> that @bakins hates and software that @bakins will hate"
>
> --Brian