[chef] Re: Re: An deep topic

["Mikael Henriksson" < >]

My experiences are the opposite of Joseph's! It took me around 20 minutes to fix the heart bleed bug and when people in the company started posting about it in the chat rooms I could say it's been fixed for a week already and this is thanks to the amazing tooling that chef brings to the table (berkshelf and friends).

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Brian Akins < " target="_blank"> > wrote:

Coming late to this thread, but I am one of the folks who had an offline discussion/rant with lusis.  

When Heartbleed (#1) happened, I needed to rebuild a ton of omnibus things and omnibus was just horribly broken.  It had worked fine just a few days before then it just didn't. In a fury of vendoring things and doing horrible hacks to get through the ordeal, I vented privately to a few folks who were having to do the same and also had a few public "wtf?!" comments. In this instance, it was just incredible bad timing and had the "breaking features" happened a week later, it probably would not have been a big deal.  It was a stressful 48-72 hours to put it mildly, and the rants were just me blowing off some steam.  Then a few weeks later, omnibus broke again, then again, etc.  I do appreciated the statement ChefCo made concerning omnibus and what would and would not be "supported" - it was just a little late for me.  Similar things have happened with other parts of the toolchain.

I am (or was) just an end user of the tool chain. I'll admit I was enamored with "oh, shiny new workflow/tools" for a while, but then I needed to get stuff done. Chef is an awesome tool, but at the end of that day that's all it is to me.  It's great that an "ecosystem" is developing around it, but ultimately I just need to get stuff done.  From the outside looking in, it does seem that the Chef community forgets this sometimes and becomes enamored with the tools themselves. I include myself in that.  Same could be said about a bunch of open source communities as well.

I've taken a different career path -- for a while at least -- so, I don't necessarily have to think about such things every day.  A lot of the "venom" in my original rants was because of 48-72 hours of dealing with Heartbleed. Heck, I ranted about pretty much every piece of tooling I had to deal with that day and everyone just assumed all the complaints were about them ;)  However, there was some truth to the rant - "why can't this crap just work???"

Hugs to every one. I feel like this should be a discussion at a bar or something.

As a former co-worker stated: "there are two types of software: software that @bakins hates and software that @bakins will hate"

--Brian